california -- it is a noticeable and sizable difference. there were many who thought the state of maryland would be a challenge. it's a very diverse day. our opposition, continually, you look at their statements and they thought that they had maryland blocked. washington state and maryland and they thought that they had it there because they were a catholic state. but we found out is that the majority of catholics support marriage equality. for all the damages they thought they had, they no longer had. >> you know, it empowers them to move into conservative states -- is that what you're saying? >> i think that everything has to be smart and strategic. but right now we have to be smart and on the defensive. we have been winning in state legislatures across the country. winning in state and federal courts across the country. the playing field were ballot measures. in an arena where truth and facts rarely matter, they were winning. so for the first time on this one playing field where they have been banished, we are now on the offensive. so wh